Spencer, Cara. Personal Interview. 5 April 2026
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Can you introduce yourself really quick? Just a brief summary, who you are and just what your name is, who you are.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Sure. My name is Cara Spencer, and I'm the mayor of the city of St. Louis.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Okay. I have a few questions for you. First question, do you see the current dropoff system as a permanent or temporary solution to a recycling situation?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, the current drop off of recycling goods, is that what you mean? Well, how about this? I'll talk a little bit about how we do recycling in the city of St. Louis. We were one of the few cities in the nation that had alley recycling, no separation. Everything goes in at once, and it was really convenient and it worked actually fairly well for a while when recycling goods, when the demand for them was very high, we didn't pay very much to get rid of it, get rid of that waste. But in recent years, there's been a couple of issues. One, the biggest issue that we've seen is that the waste in the blue dens was remarkably contaminated. So we would take the trucks down the alleys, pick up the recycling, get it to the recycling plant, and it would be rejected. And there was just too much contamination. (01:37):
The overwhelming majority of material wasn't actually getting recycled, even if your family was doing a good job separating it, if your neighbors or anybody else in the block was throwing garbage in that blue dumpster, it was all going to a landfill. And so there were a couple issues we were trying to solve. One, obviously, we wanted recycling material to make it to the recycling plant and not get rejected. But number two, we have a limited number of drivers and a limited number of trucks. And so sending them down your alley twice was ineffective and actually costing a lot more in the carbon footprint department. So this is allowing us to get down alleys more reliably. And for the last several months, we've actually been recycling more tonnage this way because when people separate it and drive it to the drop sites, it's not contaminated. And so it's a really good solution. So far, it's worked better than the alley dumpsters by a good amount, by several metrics, and we're really excited about that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
The shift to the drop-off system has saved our city significant money.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Could
Speaker 1 (03:02):
A portion of these savings be used to improve our recycling system further? What do you believe would be the best way to use any new money set aside from the recycling reform?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
This is an interesting question, and one, I think that it's a great question. Believe it or not, we don't actually pay for recycling or trash removal with the fees we pay. So every household pays a small amount of money, less than 20 bucks per household, per month. And it doesn't actually cover the cost of removing the trash or recycling. It's only a fraction, actually. So the savings aren't really a net gain. It means that we actually lose less money every month collecting, recycling. But I do have to say what we're looking to do is to buy more trucks and make sure that our drivers who are really, really underpaid, get a better wage.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What are the current goals for our city? Our city has to improve the recycling system. Are there things happening in other cities that we could learn from?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's a great question. We recently sat a trash and recycling task force. It's a set of citizens who really care about recycling, who have been putting together a report for us. It got leaked last week, but the report isn't actually done yet. And one of the things that report and citizens are looking at is exactly what you're talking about, looking to other cities and other cities. Many other cities have roll carts where you can put your recycling in a roll cart and then a truck will come by. One of the challenges that we have with that are trucks. The fleet of trucks that we have are designed to pick up alley recycling, big dumpsters, and it's a completely different truck that would pick up a little roll cart. And we have a handful of them for people that don't have alleys, but it would be a big investment. So we're looking at it and once that report is completed, looking at what other cities are doing, we're going to take a look at what the results are and see what we can do from there.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
What is the current bottleneck in the recycling system in our city? Which areas are we overspending on? Where do we need to spend more money?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, I think one of the biggest bottlenecks and being able to try new things and try to be more effective is the fact that what we pay for recycling and trash doesn't actually cover the cost. And so we have to subsidize it with other revenue sources like your property taxes or sales taxes. It comes out of the general fund, and it's not a small amount of money either. It's tens of millions of dollars that we actually subsidize the refuse department. And so I think the biggest bottleneck is that the household fee per month is much lower than it actually costs to provide that service. And so if we were to eliminate the bottleneck, we'd have to double or triple the cost of trash citywide. And I think that might be a barrier to getting it done. I'm not sure that families can bear that type of increase to their budget, but if we were to able to have more revenue out of the refuse refuse department, one of the ways that we're looking to derive more revenue without increasing the cost to families is by making sure we're doing an audit to make sure that everyone is actually paying their fair share. (07:02):
And we're also conducting an audit on apartment buildings because apartment buildings, landlords often don't, not often sometimes don't get their own commercial dumpster, and so their tenants are using the dumpsters without actually paying for the service. And so we're making sure that all landlords are also paying what they need, their fair share on behalf of their tenants, and making sure that we have everyone paying into the system.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
As you know, we currently have the drop off locations. Correct. If some citizens would be willing to spend more in order to get ally or bend pickups, is there a possibility to have different systems depending on the area's commitment to recycling?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yes. That's one of the things we're looking at. So with the roll carts, the thinking so far right now is an opt-in system where if you're willing to pay extra for that personal service of picking up your recycling, we are considering a pilot program in that way. So it may look like taking in a survey for folks that would be interested in doing that and seeing the neighborhoods that have the highest concentration of people willing to pay additional service. The challenge is those trucks are close to a half a million dollars each. And so running a pilot program like that, it's a pretty expensive endeavor. It's like theyre like $450,000 each.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
What steps is the city taking to improve recycling participation among residents?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, we have a department called Brightside that does community engagement. They go to neighborhood meetings and talk about a recycling program. We also put stickers on the dumpsters when we converted the blue alley dumpsters to trash, we put new stickers on there. It also includes a QR code, and if you scan the QR code, it gives you the information about where you can drop off recycling. And so we're trying to educate the community as best we can about recycling. Brightside is a pretty great little subdepartment that goes around the neighborhood meetings.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
How does St. Louis handle contamination in recycling bins and what can be done to further reduce it?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, the contamination really shot up during COVID and really hasn't abated. One of the challenges is that people stopped caring about recycling as much as they used to. Part of that is cultural. I think people just have so many other things they're worrying about, but as well, the cost of recycling has gone up so much. So interestingly enough, you would think that the material that we collect to be recycled would be valuable, but in reality, we actually pay five times per ton for each ton of recycling than we do pay for trash. It costs us more to recycle than it does to just throw things in the landfill, which is horrible for the planet. And part of that is a function of the contamination, but part of that is just the demand for recycling material has gone down around the world.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
How does the city ensure that recycled materials are actually reused and not just sent to landfills?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So that's that chunk. We have a contract with a recycling plant, and they take the recycling material, and then they're the ones who actually go out and make sure it gets to, gets into recycled goods, but it's hard to follow that trail. Sometimes plastics and other things may not actually get recycled because the demand for them is fairly low. Aluminums and other materials that have a high recyclability pretty reliably get recycled.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
What can students and young people, what role can students and young people play in improving recycling efforts in St. Louis?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I think one of the biggest is to be educated about it and to participate in separating out your recycling. I think it's really important that when you're separating out your recycling, that you're taking out the highest quality stuff. A lot of people think that just because it's plastic or it has that number at the bottom with the recycling, that it can be recycled. But often those things are telling you that they're not recyclable or very rarely recyclable. And so being educated on what actually can be recycled and what can't, but I think one of the biggest ways in which young people can improve what goes into landfills is by consuming less, buy stuff secondhand and look for ways in which you can prevent things from being made to begin with.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
This kind of relates to one of my previous questions, but are there any plans to expand recycling surfaces such as curbside pickup or access to more materials?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, we are, as I mentioned in the process of concluding that community, there's going to be a white paper as the result of that panel and a stakeholder panel. And so we'll take a look at that and see what that nets us. I think it will be really expensive to be able to do, but I think we should, as long as it's feasible, I'd we're willing to try to make something work.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Thank you, mayor or Kara Spencer for your time.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Anytime.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This has been very informative. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Of course.
We chose to interview the current mayor, (Cara Spencer) she recently has reformed the recycling situation in our city, and is arguably the most important public figure in the case of the city’s recycling system. Overall, this interview gave us more insight, Spencer told us that the most effective way for people to improve how recycling works in or city Is to learn about what can and cant be recycled, we are going to do this with things like our recycling game, or quiz. This will make it interactive and interesting for people to learn. A good quote from Spencer is “young people can improve what goes into landfills is by consuming less, buy stuff secondhand and look for ways in which you can prevent things from being made to begin with.”, this is also something we will do for our project.